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Law vs Control – Plus a look at an American Despot

17 Aug

Often gun control zealots like to espouse why their ideas are valid.  They try to explain away their disdain for firearms and others freedom to possess behind the straw man of lowering crime.  It doesn’t matter how many times they are factually proven wrong; their gun control measures only work in disarming law abiding citizens thus making it easier for criminals to do their nefarious deeds.

The truth is, the zealots don’t really care about lowering crime.  Oh sure, that’s a nice thing to get out to the people, that and they are just trying to “protect the children”.  But in truth, what they really want is control.  For the high ranking officials and the super rich who buy protection, they wish to maintain control over an unarmed populace.  Easier to subjugate that populace to their will.  

One need look no further than Mayor Michael Bloomberg to see what form a power hungry despot in America would take.  His complete disdain for the Second Amendment goes hand in hand with his utter disdain for the citizens of New York’s free will and ability to choose for themselves.  He has made NYC a fiefdom that has seperated itself away from the rest of New York in regards to gun laws, thus denying his subjects even the limited gun-rights the citizens of the rest of the state have.

But he doesn’t stop there.  He tells his subjects what they must eat, the portions of their food, that new mothers must breast feed their babies, and he even outlaws food donations at homeless shelters because the city can’t verify the salt content.  In his domain, it is better to go hungry than have too much salt.   Here’s a rundown of his autocracy.

Before I digress too much from the main point of this posting, this is about the difference between gun control and gun laws.  The former being the desire of Bloomberg and people of his ilk to control the lives of all the little peons beneath them that they believe can’t take care of themselves…in other words…the people.  

Gun laws on the other hand, ones designed to actually punish criminals for the misuse of firearms in commission of crimes, I am fully behind.  Just like voter fraud and rioting, the use of a firearm in a violent crime is a voiding of a constitutional right and should be punished.  Limiting law abiding citizens the right to bear arms because of the crimes of a few would be akin to banning the right to assemble because of the LA riots back in 1992.

So lets punish those who commit crimes with firearms (and I mean actually crimes, not trumped up BS charges placed on railroaded gunowners) and punish them hard.  In Pennsylvania after passing the house by a vote of 190-7 a bill now awaits approval from the Senate that would make the possession of a firearm by a felon a mandatory 5 year jail sentence and an additional 5 if they use it for a crime.  Also 5 years on straw man purchases and illegal transfers.   

THIS is the kind of gun law that I can sink my teeth into.  And these are mandatory years, not up to the discretion of some coddling “criminals are just misunderstood” bleeding heart judge.  

I appreciate the efforts by state Rep. Todd Stephens, R-Montgomery, in sponsoring this gun law that doesn’t punish or limit law abiding citizens from their Second Amendment rights.

I hope more politicians and states take this viewpoint.  Protect the people by keeping them armed and punish the criminals by keeping them in jail.  

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Posted by on August 17, 2012 in Uncategorized

 

14 responses to “Law vs Control – Plus a look at an American Despot

  1. BADKarma

    August 17, 2012 at 11:01 am

    You either need to “bold” your text or use a different background. I could hardly read this.

     
  2. gunowners

    August 17, 2012 at 11:08 am

    That brings it out a little better. Hope that helps.

     
  3. jason jerrolds

    August 17, 2012 at 11:14 am

    The black background sucks, how about switching the color scheme, otherwise love your articles, keep up the good work.

     
    • gunowners

      August 17, 2012 at 11:35 am

      Jason, I’m looking to upgrade soon (maybe this weekend) but until I do the black will probably just stay for a little bit longer. But thanks for liking the content if not the package :o)

       
  4. Billy Holmes

    August 17, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Don’t even think of taking gun’s and there protection from American citizen’s

     
  5. Thomas

    August 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    So were/are you a supporter of Project Exile? (now Virginia Exile)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Exile

     
    • gunowners

      August 17, 2012 at 2:02 pm

      I read up on it Thomas as I needed a refresher after 15 years. A few things, personally I do not like kicking up crimes to the federal government be default (having my license recognized in all 50 states being an exception) so I have issue on that level. But the idea of “demonizing” guns brought up by our own Executive Director Larry Pratt back in 1997 is a valid one.

      As an open carrier in Pennylvania I fully believe in the importance of normalizing the carrying, seeing and accepting of firearms by the general public. Thereby eliminating a large chunk of the fear and mystery surrounding firearms. A fear that the gun control zealots leverage into nonsensical measures that will protect no one.

      I know what its like to be denied the right to keep and bear arms. When I am in a state that does not allow me to carry I do not carry at all. To do so would be breaking the law. Do I hope to change the laws? Yes. But not carrying is the price i pay to travel to places like New York.

      Felony’s come with a price as well. Though, I grant you, maybe the felonies covered by the mandatory sentencing be for violent crimes. But even if its not…if you are not allowed to carry a gun because you are a felon then that is a price you pay for whatever crime or indiscretion of youth you have. And if its minor then jump through the hoops to get it expunged.

      Regardless, I believe that it is THIS conversation about guns and the Second Amendment we should be having:

      Whether criminals can have their 2nd Amendment rights reinstated to them after they paid their price to society for their crime…not whether we should strip the right from everyone else because of the crimes of a few.

       
      • Thomas

        August 17, 2012 at 8:36 pm

        Thanks for responding! I understand not necessarily wanting to bump it up to a federal crime, but what I do not get, and did not back when it first started, was ‘the demonizing of guns’ argument. I see this as an effort to demonize the misuse of an item, much like driving drunk: alcohol is not the issue (OK, maybe some argument there), the car is not the issue, it is the improper/illegal mixture of the two that makes it a crime. And yes, if you are a felon, you have, by your own choice(s), given up many privileges granted to responsible citizens. Why wouldn’t you expect to be hammered if you show by your actions that you did not learn your lesson?
        I agree, I would rather be discussing permit-less-CCW, and maybe even making the rest of the states allow class3/title2 ownership, but wouldn’t it be nice if the overall crime rate related to guns went down (through elimination of recidivism) too?

         
  6. gunowners

    August 17, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Thomas, I think you make a valid point. And I am not disagreeing with you that punishing criminals who misuse firearms is a good thing. Just because I gave you our Executive Directors opinion on the matter about the demonization of guns doesn’t mean, 15 years later, that I personally, think it still holds true.

    I think that the people have finally come around to understanding, as you do, that a gun is just a tool. It can be used for sport and work or misused for evil…so can an ax. But, to hearken back to the demonization aspect, when a drunk driver kills someone, no one starts ranting about banning fast cars or bringing back prohibition. So you can see why some may be hesitant to start nit picking which weapon deserves more punishment. Especially when gun control zealots would start using those numbers of mandatory sentences as reason to limit law abiding citizens Second Amendment rights.

    I feel the same way about hate crimes. If its a crime then just punish them to the maximum amount they deserve. What does it matter if a person of one color bludgeons a person of a different color just because of the color of their skin? Why would we punish that harsher than if they were the same color? Why not throw the book at them because it was a heinous act regardless?

    I’m getting a little of topic, but if you use a weapon to commit a crime you should be punished. And if you are a felon then there are consequences to that. Now if a reformed criminal wants to make the case that they get the right to vote back after a time then so too they should get the right that shall not be infringed back as well. Oh course, this is a topic for another time.

     
    • Thomas

      August 17, 2012 at 11:01 pm

      Nice points, nice discourse!

       
  7. James W Garrison

    August 18, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Well im all for violent offenders losing there 2a rights and in cases of felony’s with a firearm a mandatory sentance added to the existing crime . what gets me is when a girlfriend / wife ect . wants you to move out so she can move her boyfriend in she will call the police and claim domestic violence you go to jail and lose all your rights for life in the state of ohio with NO Recourse or Restoration of rights . this seems awfull harsh considering you did nothing to be charged with in the first place except get into a verbal confrontation with a spose or significant other . It is really funny in ohio a convicted drug dealer thats a felon can get his rights restored and his record sealed but a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct amended from domestic violence can take your rights forever . in this case i cannot see what you propose . why would you propose a 5 year sentance for someone that wants to go hunting and only has a misdemeanor on his or her record ???

     
    • gunowners

      August 18, 2012 at 8:47 pm

      James, thats one of the dangers I covered in the main blog. This would be the case of a trumped up BS charge made to have a gunowner railroaded. How is that countered? Not sure. But you bring up an excellent point on the absurdity with regards to the drug dealer vis a vis the misdemeanor charge.

       
  8. Robert Reynolds

    August 21, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    In New York State, the police have no duty to provide police protection to any particular individual. The Courts in New York have held that “generally, a municipality may not be held liable for the failure to provide police protection because the duty to provide such protection is owed to the public at large, rather than to any particular individual” (Conde v. City of New York, 24 AD3d 595, 596 [2005]; see Cuffy v. City of New York, 69 NY2d 255, 260 [1987]).

    As the Chair of the Public Safety Committee of Manhattan Community Board 12. I will be holding a Public Hearing in September 2012 on NYS Senate Bill S1427 & S1863 with an emphasis on self-defense education & firearm training for women.

    Bill S1427 PURPOSE: This proposed constitutional amendment would provide within the New York State Constitution for a right of the people to keep and bear arms for traditionally recognized purposes

    Bill S1863 PURPOSE: This legislation would remove a gun licensing officer’s ability to deny or restrict the issuance of licenses to law abiding citizens who have successfully undergone the state’s strict application process and appropriate New York State and Federal Bureau of Investigations fingerprint background check required under law. In addition, this bill will conform New York State law to current ATF requirements regarding background checks for firearms transfers.

    September 12, 2012 at 6:30 PM at Isabella, 515 Audubon Avenue New York, NY 10040. If you live in New York State feel free to take a look at the information that I will be presenting as well as sign my on-line petition included at the link below. I hope that you will come out and support me as I support you. Fraternally.

    http://cavalierknight.com/documents.html

     
  9. Phil

    August 24, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    You’re deluded. How can you not see that all

     

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