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Revolution era Assault Weapons

28 Jan
Revolution era Assault Weapons

We are hearing a lot of talk from those who seek to control the American people and limit their liberty, questioning why anyone would need a so called “assault weapon”.  While it is humorously ironic when British blowhard Piers Morgan spouts off criticizing our 2nd Amendment, it is a little more disturbing when American politicians follow suit.

Since many politicians choose to ignore history and walk all over the Constitution, it is good to talk a look back and see where these radical notions of an armed society and liberty came from.

As I have long pointed out on this blog, the 2nd Amendment isn’t about shooting deer, it’s about shooting tyrants.  Our nation was FOUNDED on such a notion.  The only people who would throw off the chains of tyranny and then undercut the ability for future generations to do so would be tyrants themselves.  I do not view George Washington, Ben Franklin or Thomas Paine in this light and I wonder how today’s gun control zealots can twist the history of our founding so cockeyed that they would make tyrants of our founding fathers.

The Colonists during this time had petitioned the King, wrote to Parliament, and took all the peaceful avenues of redress that they could.  Finally, when their grievances were ignored, their property seized, taxes crippled them and they were denied the rights that their English cousins enjoyed they said ‘enough’.

Now, the gun control zealots like to mock American gun owners today by trying and marginalize the 2nd Amendment saying that when it was written they were talking about muskets and that muskets are the only thing that the 2nd Amendment protects.

Of course, that is like saying the 1st Amendment only protects a hand cranked, single page printing press.  But I digress.

The founding fathers were talking about muskets and early rifles.  Why?  Because those were the most advanced weapons of the day and with those weapons a nation was founded.

The colonists had equal, and in many cases,  superior firearms than that of the British.

The British standard issue rifle of the day was the Brown Bess

brownbess

The Brown Bess was in production for almost 55 years before the start of the Revolution.  It, or one of its derivations  was in the hands of nearly every British redcoat during the war.  And talk about an “assault” weapon, the Brown Bess came with a bayonet 17 inches long, used when the British lines would literally assault the enemy position.

While the Americans where made up of militias and were less uniformed in their selection of firearms than those of their enemy, in some senses that gave the American the advantage.  The Colonists, by and large, brought their own firearms to the fight.  While many used derivatives of the Brown Bess, the Americans excelled at precision shooting with the Pennsylvania/Kentucky Long Rifle.  The reason for the accuracy of up to 400 yards was due to the rifling of the bore which made the round fly straighter.

pennrifle

If gun control advocates had their way, the Colonists would have needed to use bow and arrows against the British because using their rhetoric, “who needs to shoot something 400 yards away”.

While revolution should never be the first response, the opportunity to cast of chains of tyranny should be a viable option in order to preserve liberty.  As such, weapons are needed that are on par with those carried by said tyrants army.

If the Colonists were denied the use of arms equal or superior to that of the army of King George, then we might very well still be bending the knee to the Crown.

To limit the 2nd Amendment to something smaller than its intent (such as hunting or personal defense) is to limit the essence of American liberty and freedom.  The 2nd Amendment is the line in the sand, and if it is allowed to be brushed away then the freedom that we enjoy today will exist only by the whims of those in charge.

Let us stand resolute to ensure that the leaders of America serve and never rule.

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22 responses to “Revolution era Assault Weapons

  1. highplainsparson

    January 28, 2013 at 11:54 am

    The KY longrifle came later and is shorter than the PA longrifle.

     
  2. Lonnie Mann

    January 28, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    This assault rifle that had the ability to rapid fire over 20 rounds at a time was made in 1779. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle

     
  3. Bryan

    January 28, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Sir, normally (and in this instance) I agree wholeheartedly with GOA posts. However, I feel I can no longer advocate this lobby group because you do not represent my personal feelings and interests. Not all gun owners who believe in the ownership of modern sporting arms believe in the limitation of women’s rights. Nor do we believe in the marginalization of minorities. Nor do we believe in the restrictions of gay rights.

    Yes, I do believe that the women who use abortion as their ONLY form of birth control are abhorrent. I do not however believe that it is ok to force a woman to have a child she was forced into. Nor do I believe that I can speak for any god, Christian or otherwise, due to a book.

    I believe that this country was founded on the concept of true liberty. It doesn’t matter who you want to marry, or what gods you answer to. The founding fathers were deists. They believed something was out there, but that it wasn’t for man to make proclamations in God’s name.

    In my eyes, being a true patriot means representing ALL who would be free. Using logic and education to broaden horizons. Unfortunately, I feel distanced from GOA more and more with posts of political cartoons linking my ownership with that of bigots that disagree with women’s rights, or indirect assaults on our President.

    You and I may not find him to be particularly trustworthy, or particularly honest, but he is our PRESIDENT. Until we impeach or he is no longer our president, he deserves at the very least our respect, if not our love.

    These are the things I grew up understanding, as a child raised in the military intelligence community. We will earn more allies with respect and education than with hate and fear.

    As Americans, it’s our job to provide freedom to those who seek it, and then to defend it, even for those who use it in ways that we don’t like. If we provide only the freedom for people to do what we want them to do, we’re not really providing freedom at all.

     
    • Varian Wrynn

      January 28, 2013 at 9:42 pm

      Respect is earned and once given, must be maintained, I respected him until the math just did not add up and neither did the documentation. The Man of Peace started more wars than the previous eight Presidents combined. At this point, he needs to re-earn that respect.

       
      • Bryan

        January 28, 2013 at 10:17 pm

        He does need to earn respect as -the man-. He supplied and backed insurrectionists while speaking of denying us of our rights. However. W. Bush did more damage to our national image than any other president. He authorized the groundwork for many of the directions our current administration is taking us.

        Obama may be toeing the party line, but he is not the specific enemy here. He’s simply a mouthpiece.

        Those like Diane Fienstien, who will deny us the very rights they exercise because we’re “not trustworthy enough”, THEY are our enemies. Recall them from office. Coumo and Bloomberg, who view their realms as their rightful kingdoms. THEY are our enemies.

        The gun lobbies have been preaching bipartisanship for too long. We need to unite with our brothers and sisters that own and practice safe gun ownership, whether gay, straight, or pro-choice.

        THIS SCHISM IS WHAT THEY WANT. Do NOT afford them the luxury.

         
    • Joe Maffei

      January 28, 2013 at 9:44 pm

      I disagree. Respect is earned. It is not automatically granted a person because he was able to buffalo enough people into voting for him. What has he done to EARN my respect. Not one damn thing. I respect the office of the President of the United States, while not respecting the person in that office.

      In taking his oath, he swore to uphold and protect and defend the constitution of the United States. But, he wants to gut it. He wants to pass executive orders on when and where we may protest. He wants to limit our ability to fight back against a tyrannical government. (it was never our founding fathers intent that any standing army should have better or more advanced weapons than the people) He pushes laws that forces us to buy services. He is trampling on the documents that founded this country and the only thing I have less respect for is the people who are letting him do it and not impeaching him.

      It is not our job to provide freedom to other countries. it is our job to make sure OUR country remains free. For far to long we have had people in this country hungry. We have had far to many sick and unable to get care. We have had to many mentally ill on the streets. We have to many homeless. We have a multitude of problems in this country that we need to address before we send one dollar more in aid to any country. Only when our own house is in order, and I mean seriously in order, with a good economy, and jobs for those that can work, and education funded, and no homeless and no hunger should we even consider involving ourselves in the affairs of others.

      , Obama cheered those that deposed Gadaffi in Libia. He Cheered those that deposed their tyrannical government in Tunisia, He encouraged Mubarak of Egypt to step down in the face of protests. He things the Syrian king should step down…All the while taking steps to make sure the same kind of revolt can not happen here.

      And this is the man you think I should respect? No, I have all the respect in the world for the office, but not the man. The man has to earn that respect, and he has earned nothing but my scorn.

       
      • Bryan

        January 28, 2013 at 10:12 pm

        Joe, nominally I would agree with you, however my entire family is military. My in-laws are military. I grew up on a military base; my ancestors were military. There’s one pervasive theme here. “The elected official, although you don’t like him, you respect him for being what he is. Elected.”

        George W. Bush took an oath. He removed freedoms as readily as Obama and Clinton did.

        I’m educated, but dirt poor. I cannot afford to pay for my wife’s cancer treatments. Is it right to assume that Joe Biden, who will be assured several million dollars over the next few years, should not chip in a measly hundred dollars a year to help a patriot like myself pay for her treatments?

        Not all the unemployed are lazy. I’m a trained gunsmith. I have experience with small engine and computer repair. I went to college twice, once for programming and once for psychology. I cannot find work in any of the above fields, and I am grossly in debt from trying.

        I want our country to remain free. But I won’t stand idly by and allow those who should be preaching responsibility and tolerance to preach hatred, in any form. I do not -like- Obama. But I will respect the title.

        Because that is the man I was raised to be. I am an American Patriot, first and foremost. I will not let my state become another Ireland or Scotland, like my forefathers were forced to before me.

        And I sure as hell will not promote intolerance.

         
    • msalzbrenner

      January 28, 2013 at 9:48 pm

      I was so with you all up until the point you professed your declaration that Obama’s title automatically demands respect and/or love. I’m sorry, but Obama is human. He is NOT a GOD. He is NOT a KING. He is no better than ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING. There is NO OBLIGATION to deify him. Respect is EARNED! NOT DEMANDED!. The truth is he is A PUBLIC SERVANT and therefore should be subject to MY WILL not we subject to HIS. You may want to rethink how you view the method in which our government is supposed to work.

      Then you stated :

      “These are the things I grew up understanding, as a child raised in the military intelligence community. We will earn more allies with respect and education than with hate and fear.”

      While I don’t condemn you for your opinion, you choice of lifestyle, or your beliefs. I feel that you have missed a very important point of fact.

      Obama and his supporters have undeniably proven the flaw in your statement. “We will earn more allies with respect and education than with hate and fear.” Once he and his supporters follow this statement then and ONLY then should we consider to do the same.

      As well I must say that this same answer applies to your statement:

      “As Americans, it’s our job to provide freedom to those who seek it, and then to defend it, even for those who use it in ways that we don’t like. If we provide only the freedom for people to do what we want them to do, we’re not really providing freedom at all.”

      I would agree with you, however our benevolent leader obviously DOES NOT!

      And as such has earned NO respect from me, and far less “love”.

       
      • Bryan

        January 28, 2013 at 10:01 pm

        We cannot afford, at this juncture, to simply fall to the tactics of the other side. This is the seed of dissent they sow. That people like myself should speak out in tolerance, and then be cast out as a pariah for standing up for what I believe in; this is what the current system is provoking! We cannot afford to split over ideology. We cannot afford to split over a respect for those that were elected. We need to stand fast as a whole, or we will lose this fight for our very freedoms.

        This is what I keep trying to prove to those of both sides. The UK is hardly free, but they parrot our speeches because the illusion of security allows them to believe they are free. Their division proved to be their downfall, will we let the same happen to us?

        We are the titular land of the free. Will you deny someone their rights simply because they believe differently? If so, you’re no different than they are. We cannot allow this schism in belief to swerve us from our cause.

        I’m well aware of what the founding fathers believed in terms of our arms ‘limitations’. To those who oppose civilian ownership, I direct them to the hells that are the third world, where speech is punished by death or worse. While there are those I do not think are qualified to own a firearm based on personal behavior, it is their right until they prove themselves unworthy in the eyes of the law.

        I will not, however, stand for those who will subvert the rights of others. And many posts on the GOA page by followers are evidence that there are many who will do exactly that.

        I do not believe Obama or the rest of the currently elected government holds our interests at heart. That includes both liberal and conservative elements. Both sides are guilty of forcing our emotions at every turn, be it woman’s rights, gay rights, or gun ownership. None of them represent our interests. They all behave as if they’re nobility; the liberals from acting “in our best interests”, and the conservatives as “protecting businesses.”

        My wife has cancer. The extreme left has made it dangerous for business owners to employ a gunsmith. The extreme right has forced us into thousands of dollars of debt because I’m not making the money I should. Explain to me how either route is fair.

        I don’t particularly like Obama, but as of this moment, he is our President, and as per my upbringing, I afford him the respect due that title; no more and no less, because that is my duty as an American citizen.

         
    • Patriot

      January 29, 2013 at 5:48 am

      Bryan, let me just respond to one portion of your post. (Abortion) Abortion is murder. Let’s at least agree to that. The fact that the child is still in the womb is meaningless. It has a heartbeat, fingerprints and DNA. Now, you may subscribe to allowing the woman to kill that child……but at the end of the day, abortion is not in the constitution. The second amendment is a fundamental right given to us and once taken……limits all other rights we would have left. Once the first of those rights fall, the rest will in short order. You can get upset with the moderators for having a believe that differs with you about other topics……but they are in the fight to save one of the most important rights given to all Americans. Don’t get side-tracked and back out of the fight for that.

       
    • Marie

      January 29, 2013 at 8:00 am

      “These are the things I grew up understanding, as a child raised in the military intelligence community. We will earn more allies with respect and education than with hate and fear.” That statement pretty well explains your stance. Why do you think, after decades of trusting the government, we’ve now opened our eyes? We’ve been lied to, coerced, manipulated, and forced to live a life that’s not liberty. I don’t know how old you are, but those of us who can look back 40 or 50 years can see a HUGH chance in our freedoms. I’m a little perplexed as to how you can link gun ownership with women’s rights. If anything, GOA supports the right of women to defend themselves. As for abortion, let’s call it what it is: Pelvic politics.

       
    • obama drone strike

      March 27, 2013 at 8:46 pm

      Providing freedom to those who seek it? What about to all of the thousands of civilians who have been killed thanks to Obama’s drone wars?

      What about the true liberty of the 16 year old US citizen who Obama blew away with a drone strike? What about who knows how many people who have had their houses searched or their phone calls listened to without a warrant thanks to the Patriot Act Obama made sure was renewed? What about the people who have been indefinitely detained or killed because Obama believes the NDAA has given him that right to do in secret to any citizen for any reason? What about the federal whistleblowers who have been prosecuted at a record level under his admin? What about reporters who have been prosecuted more than all other admins combined have using a WWI Espionage Act? What about the Amish who face armed raids with actual assault rifles for the dangerous crime of raw milk? What about the sick and elderly who face armed raids for medical marijuana?

      Where exactly has Obama provided freedom to those who seek it other than giving the freedom to die to plenty of muslim kids?

       
  4. Kevin Greer

    January 28, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    its a government tactic in step one, then they can chip away at rest of gun rights. TYRANTS!!!!.

     
  5. Kevin Greer

    January 28, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Damn liberalists wake up!

     
  6. Varian Wrynn

    January 28, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Nice article. I would add some points:
    1. The straw that broke the camel’s back was the gun ban and General Gage’s countryside raids to confiscate powder and ball, and destroy cannons (yes, the militia had cannons), which resulted in the Regulars firing on the Militia on April 19, 1775 in Lexington and Concord. The Colonists had enough when they saw the Regulars take out revenge and kill innocent bystanders, and finally they fired on the King’s troops at Miriam’s Corner.
    2. The Militia trained to “ready, take sight, fire!” whereas the Regulars trained to “present, fire” – key difference is the Militia actually took a few seconds to aim the musket before firing it.
    3. The Regulars fired .71 cal ball and the Militia fired .74 ball in the muskets. The smaller balls bounced as they went down the bore and were less accurate.

    Knowing there was a gun ban in effect, and an arms embargo (from an Order of Council in December, 1774) makes today even scarier with politicians that have conveniently forgotten this part of our history.

     
    • Joe Maffei

      January 28, 2013 at 9:49 pm

      try forming a militia to train these days. every single militia that has formed has been infiltrated, branded as lunatics or some sort of reactionary bad people and disbanded. Somewhere along the lines the government took away our rights, and we let them.

      only way we will get them back is to take them back.

       
  7. Tom Long

    January 28, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    They also used grapeshot in cannons and multiple projectiles in muskets. If you had the where with all to own a cannon no one would even think of preventing you from doing so!

     
  8. Darren Pollok

    January 28, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    It’s Thomas Paine that you speak of, not “Payne”.

     
  9. William Kimball

    January 29, 2013 at 1:00 am

    “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”
    ~Tenche Coxe

     
  10. fred kar

    January 29, 2013 at 9:24 am

    for those that don’t know what the founding fathers thought of the 2nd amendment read this web page and learn why the 2nd amendment is so important..and to mention one fact, during WW2 japan didn’t invade the main land America because they knew most people had weapons

     
  11. Dona

    January 29, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    One thing our “elected officials” forget is that we are their bosses. We pay them with the taxes we pay. We vote them into office. Therefore, they should “respect” We the People and abide by what “We the People” want.
    If everyone who believes “they” are trying to take our freedoms voted, the turn out of this situation would be very different. I have heard so many people say voting is a waste of time, but it really is not! Please make sure to register and vote!

     
  12. Isaac

    March 26, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    Great article! Too many americans are ignorant to the past and can’t see that the rights of which thousand fought and died for are being ripped from us. It is disgusting.

     

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